:), This sort of setup is exactly what makes me, a Vim user, absolutely sure I made the correct decision by not picking up Emacs instead. If there’s a task humans can do with computers, you can probably do it in Emacs, on almost every operating system or computer. It has many packages available for it (though not until recently was there a official package manager). Or csharp-mode would hang when editing around preprocessor directives. I did that for a while, but now use wmii instead of StumpWM. I know almost nothing about EMACS, but I know you can play Tetris in it... Last edited by drcouzelis (2013-12-11 18:32:31). Emacs still requires to be programmed to customize it. Fortunately, megapixel displays and window systems soon came to the rescue. Nothing is too wonderful to be true, if it be consistent with the laws of nature -- Michael FaradaySometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine. In a .emacs, there is not only the system-type, but also the window-system variable. People joke that Emacs is an operating system (without a good editor), but it's not really a joke. I would like to to try Emacs, and want to give it the best chance possible. > That's a nice thing in some ways, but my guess is that when you try and edit, say, Erlang or something else, those big IDE's are just going to sputter and flail because they're outside their comfort zone. This might just be the one feature that would get me to convert vim. Evil? I've ranted against it here before I think (briefly, in that rants are generally frowned upon in these parts). I have used Emacs every non-vacation day for the last 22 years, starting with version 18 and extending through version 24, on over a dozen computers, on Linux, OS X and a proprietary Unix, in text mode and with a GUI. Runs on Intel and talks to the hardware. Both this and problems like LukeShu mentioned. Typing control-G does not get you out of the infinite loop? And the work on preliminary thread support is well under way.. All three have their advantages and disadvantages. Eh, the Unix principle is overrated. No other organizational system has done that for me. [1] http://emacs.1067599.n5.nabble.com/An-Emacs-plug-in-for-a-br... http://tkf.github.io/2013/06/04/Emacs-is-dead.html. The fact that emacs/org is open soure software is awesome and gives me trust that I can … Emacs as an OperatingSystem is, in fact, a common joke Emacs is a great operating system, it just doesn't have a good editor. Can Emacs be an OS kernel? Martin Fowler commented on the reprogramability of Emacs, a key feature of the LispMachine GNU Emacs = Generally Not Used Except by Middle-Aged Computer Scientists. We have pretty good definitions of 'operating system' already, no need to invent new useless ones. An OS is Movitz. Two are: I think the Emacs as OS feeling particularly rings true for those using Windows. The full joke is that emacs is a fine operating system in need of a good editor. Its editor is based on unusual keystrokes with help that has uncommon terminology. Each entry contains clickable/openable links to the PDF file and to its entry in a BibTeX file as well as the full bibliographical data, allowing me to, say, pull up all of my notes on all articles written by some author that contain a given word in the title and have been assigned some tags of my choosing. And if there is something like that, and it's useful, then I'm sure it will come to Emacs soon enough. Extendible through the built in Lisp, or using libraries, extensible using Python scripts (and others, I imagine), My boyfriend tends to try out emacs from time to time (we're both vim-ers) and he went through the most ridiculious list of things you can actually do with emacs.Make coffee.Like.. seriously. I wouldn't have let the misunderstanding persist. "shell" is not the only terminal you have. when writing JavaScript, thanks to js2. Privileges It is well integrated with LaTex which suits my needs far better than does any WYSIWYG word processor; I would not call it a replacement; it certainly will not open their files. It's not - it actually was done[1]. I primarily use Mac OS X (so I have looked at Aquamacs), and I mainly do Python programming, so anything specifically for that would be great. AutoLisp has no macros. you can get a pretty good Emacs-as-an-OS feel with the combo of Emacs, Conkeror [0] and StumpWM [1]. Emacs uses a system of files, buffers, and frames. When you open a file on disk, it appears in a buffer, which is a portion of memory that lets you edit the text in the file. If one of my emacs buffers locks up (which can happen for any number of reasons), the whole session is hosed. In fact, on the Xerox D-machines you loaded one microcode and got a Lisp machine, a different microcode and got a Smalltalk machine, or a Mesa/Cedar machine. > Please, not every shitty Lisp interpreter which can print to the screen and take user input is an operating system. As the saying goes, "Emacs is a great OS but it's got a crappy text editor". And you can run emacs or vim inside emacs using "M-x term". Find Operating System Type. And if you subscribe to the 'without a good editor' bit, then the vim emulation layer makes it as good … For me that was the situation for a while, nothing but Firefox and emacs. The lack of multi-threading is #1 on his list, and it seems to me for good reason. The rest of the "OS" moniker referred to things such as email and NNTP clients written in Elisp. References. What people are saying "Kind of taking that whole "Emacs is an operating system" thing a bit too far, aren't we?" … It has shells, mail clients (MUAs and MSAs), web browsers, web servers and more, all written entirely in Emacs Lisp. Which language ? Autocad is also no Lisp OS. Emacs as default init, shell, window manager and "desktop" environment. It is a joke. Threads are WorseIsBetter concurrency which break pretty-much everything they touch. Well, you can turn Emacs into an IDE, but then you have an IDE, which seems to inevitably include slowness and bloatedness. You can do almost anything and never leave the Emacs environment. Interesting, I thought it might be pretty hard to do some things efficiently without inline asm. The main reason why emacs can't be an operating system (or at least a decent one) is that it doesn't support multi-threading. What site is this? If mzscheme/racket scripting support for Vim were given the love that python support is getting instead, that would please me immensely. Elisp would be best without them, and use a sane concurrency mechanism like asynchronous events (like Node/Erlang). Has anyone used Vile? Um, no. Emacs as an OperatingSystem is, in fact, a common joke Emacs is a great operating system, it just doesn't have a good editor. I had been exposed to emacs at work on a unix system, and it was sloooow. Is the routine which puts a file system onto a blank disk written in Lisp? "At last we have solved the init controversy." Users love Emacs because it features efficient commands for common but complex actions and for the plugins and configuration hacks that have developed around it for nearly 40 years. I would liken it more to a terminal emulator than to an operating system in that it's simply an interface for interacting with text-centric programs, the primary one being a text editor. Emacs uses a system of files, buffers, and frames. How do you know that some Lisp is actually an operating system? The Lisp part of Emacs is the operating system that runs on that emulated hardware. EMACSBOOK: "All the power of 1976 in the palm of your hand! people say "Emacs is the best operating system" :en:emacs:font:linux:terminal:terminator: It's becasue Emacs has great documentation and enough APIs. To be fair, Emacs still doesn't have anything quite like the extensive support for things like refactoring that Eclipse does. That we deem their, "So for someone who is writing office document, Microsoft Word is the OS?". This is the opposite of combining many small programs to create something big. About the GNU Operating System; ... My Lisp Experiences and the Development of GNU Emacs (by Richard Stallman) Written in Lisp. Emacs is an environment that gives you so many things in a coherent, (eventually) familiar and consistent way. [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/eshell.ht... [2] http://www.masteringemacs.org/articles/2010/12/13/complete-g... My father has difficulty seeing, and spends most of his computer time within Emacs, occasionally switching to Gnome (for certain websites) or a speech enabled console. Slax is available for 32bit and 64bit processor architectures. Now having very little knowledge about Emacs it is difficult to tell if they are speaking literally or figuratively. Which is why I stopped doing that. Emacs as OS – effectively true. for configuring programming WM i use (StumpWM) on the fly (with SLIME). Other nice things: email/news readers, IRC, TRAMP (as described by ewaller above), built in ANSI terminal emulator, a shell implemented entirely in emacs-lisp (you can do all sorts of crazy things with that), interactive database front-ends, BBDB (address book). This third edition covers all the new enhancements made in version 21.3. Python editor with dynamic introspection through an active Python session. lol. It may be necessaryto do `unset TERMINFO' (C-shell: `unsetenv TERMINFO') as well.$. it has more functionality than a chromebook. Emacs is a good operating system, but it could use a better text editor. Fully integrated with gdb. Its editor is based on unusual keystrokes with help that has uncommon terminology. regex replace and grep/sed do the job for me. I think the SqueakVM was developped in the same way. Emacs is a bloated text editor. Development of the first Emacs began in the mid-1970s, and work on its direct descendant, GNU Emacs, continues actively as of 2020. As much as I love Emacs, in my opinion it isn't the right tool for an operating system because it isn't mainstream. RPN calculator. This sort of setup is exactly what makes me, a Vim user, think I may have made a mistake by not picking up Emacs instead. "Well I guess while you're writing this you aren't … People joke that Emacs is an operating system (without a good editor), but it's not really a joke. I just think it would have been hilarious to actually use that line. Network card. -- Alan Turing---How to Ask Questions the Smart Way, It's not meant to be taken literally, although you can extend emacs quite a bit:* https://www.archlinux.org/packages/comm … emacs-w3m/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emacs-w3-git/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cedet/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emac … -mode-git/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emacs-nav/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emacs-eimp/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emacs-jabber/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emac … ring-mode/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emac … -calendar/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emacs-org-mode/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emacs-pov-mode/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emac … -mode-git/* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emacspeak/. Nothing more. twitter facebook. Maybe time to ask what color is the bikeshed? Can't remember where I read this. Recursive acronym for: Emacs Makes A$$ Crack Seemingly-Good; Erroneous misuse of acronyms crashes systems A Lisp OS (like Genera) is about extensibility down toward bare metal, not up towards applications. It is when we use an human centered definition of "operating system" rather than a machine centered one that Emacs can be seen in a different light. Not without bulky kluges like CEDET, anyway. What's the best demonstration of its appeal? So for someone who is writing office document, Microsoft Word is the OS? I guess that currently Emacs’s GTK version has the nicest GUI of them all, but it would good of the Windows and OS X port got some more love. AutoLisp is far less powerful than elisp - e.g. This is useful when you want to choose between some x only option, or a terminal, or macos setting. Helm System Packages only works over lists of packages. There were OSes written in other high-level languages, like Smalltalk and Forth (which may not be "high-level", but at least it's higher level than C). Awesome! I tried to compile it once and it looked to be quite onerous to fix all of Clang's whinging. Now I have Conkeror taking up the other half and Alt-Tab between the two and I can do most things without touching the mouse. So browsers and ECMAScript are the new EMACS. In those days, having three or four Emacs buffers where one could have a couple of files being edited, a shell session, and the output of the compiler was considered a blessing. "Well I guess while you're writing this you aren't … Is the routine which formats the disk written in Lisp? To your first point, that depends on your target architecture. But, let me make the case that Emacs is an OS. That is the setup that I use at home, and it. In a .emacs, there is not only the system-type, but also the window-system variable. Not every Lisp program which can send mail is an operating system. It's a bit slow to start sometimes, but that's equally true for "bloated Java IDEs". But "Operating System" is being used ambiguously. About a month ago I heard about evil-mode in emacs and gave it a shot. More like "Emacs as default shell", as Emacs is next to worthless without all those userspace utilities. Once you manage to grok Emacs, you'll seldom want to be anywhere else. I just installed it (on Windows) and am enjoying it very much. What with having a built in terminal emulator, it's possible to run EMACS in EMACS! No multi-tasking doesn't mean it can't be an OS, just not a decent OS. Emacs has two parts, the C part, and the Emacs Lisp part. Those guys are probably still around. And he just added that it has a built-in psychological therapist. No, and yes. For example, with the right modes you can pretty much free form evaluate any expression anywhere in the editor. Edit:  This was originally aimed at 2ManyDogs. Agreed. It applies to both of you. I love Vim so much but I sure wish it had a proper scripting language without requiring me to recompile the whole binary to get partial functionality. The most amazing discovery I made was a minor mode that put a battery indicator into the status line. No, I want a real editor inside my browser. Java just begs you to use an IDE because (1) It is incredibly cumbersome and (2) It's very nature make it possible to create powerful IDEs, that's not the case for most languages. All of this in a basic text file that can be kept under version control. If that's the case, then you have a winner. The differences are very specific. Anyway, I guess I would say Emacs does do one thing and it does it well: it's a text-buffer widget for a Lisp interpreter. Then I forget about it and happily go back to editing my code in vim, browsing the web with dwb, and reading my mail in claws. Calling Emacs an OS is dubious, it certainly isn't a general purpose OS, and won't run on real hardware. Not every Lisp program which can send mail is an operating system. Emacs is a text editor designed for POSIX operating systems and available on Linux, BSD, macOS, Windows, and more. It’s a text editor, it’s an operating system, it’s a Lisp Environment. It encourages me to lay out ideas from the perspective of comprehension and figure out how to plan doing it later. Can Emacs be a shell/UI replacement? Nifty stuff, from The Before Time, when we were still fundamentally innovating hardware architectures and not figuring out how to make x86 go faster. It does not feature any maintenance-related operations such as cleaning the cache or synchronizing the database. You can find Emacs here, as well as a tour here. I think the OP's question has been answered. Currently using Awesome WM and it works pretty well for what I need. Emacs also has a clear and logical design, and allows you redefine almost anything you don't like. Sometimes you're too helpful. If the computer is never used for any other application, then that's an arguable position. A pretty good operating system, but it could use a better text editor. I can just open and edit a file on my home box by providing a path to the file on that machine (including the full domain of that machine). Emacs is more of a rugged jeep in that, ok, it doesn't know all the methods for all the classes in Java, but throw some Erlang, Tcl, Ruby, ASM, or whatever else at it, and it'll handle it ok, just as it does a decent job for Java, C, Perl or whatever else. It has reasonably powerful IPC mechanisms. Just like Audacity is a sound editor extensible in Lisp. Understanding how to differentiate a server OS from an everyday one is vital to our discussion. wmii has vim keybindings too. 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